Comments on: Liberation root and branch style http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/ Public and User Involvement Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:24:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andrew Craig http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-880 Andrew Craig Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:55:50 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-880 National Voices has turned the policy blizzard into an easy-read "plain English" version of how the changes will impact on everyday service users which the Department of Health has published called Improving the NHS: what can you expect? www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_117981 Thanks Jeremy and NV colleagues for this, it is really helpful. National Voices has turned the policy blizzard into an easy-read “plain English” version of how the changes will impact on everyday service users which the Department of Health has published called Improving the NHS: what can you expect?

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_117981

Thanks Jeremy and NV colleagues for this, it is really helpful.

]]> By: Marjorie Thompson http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-864 Marjorie Thompson Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:09:02 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-864 Excellent and thoughtful piece, loved the historical analogies with the tyrants....it will be interesting to see how local authorities manage--Southwark where I live spent £10 million on consultants last year and have 5000 staff. Anyone who is interested in cooperatives and the government's commitment to them, please look at www.conservativecoops.com Marjorie Thompson, Chair, Conservative Cooperative Movement Excellent and thoughtful piece, loved the historical analogies with the tyrants….it will be interesting to see how local authorities manage–Southwark where I live spent £10 million on consultants last year and have 5000 staff. Anyone who is interested in cooperatives and the government’s commitment to them, please look at http://www.conservativecoops.com Marjorie Thompson, Chair, Conservative Cooperative Movement

]]> By: Views on Andrew Lansley’s Health White Paper… http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-862 Views on Andrew Lansley’s Health White Paper… Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:53:58 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-862 [...] 2 Comments [...] [...] 2 Comments [...]

]]> By: peter http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-861 peter Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:40:44 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-861 Of course I was being my usual naive self. Planning will not be necessary as the market rules and responds to demand.For examle 4 neonatal beds needed in Borchester? And the market will respond and provide them with ready made consultants SPR's Nurses and all the necessary hardware.(assuming of course that the local hospital has not been declared bankrupt) Its very difficult to escape from my old fashioned views on planning and cvollective responsibility.I promise to try to get modern in my thinking. Of course I was being my usual naive self. Planning will not be necessary as the market rules and responds to demand.For examle 4 neonatal beds needed in Borchester? And the market will respond and provide them with ready made consultants SPR’s Nurses and all the necessary hardware.(assuming of course that the local hospital has not been declared bankrupt) Its very difficult to escape from my old fashioned views on planning and cvollective responsibility.I promise to try to get modern in my thinking.

]]> By: Peter Westland http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Peter Westland Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:25:38 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-860 well it is early days but it would be nice to know whether they mean "commissioning" or "procurement" and at what level in this "new" two tier arrangement the "commissioning" will be done....ie the analysis, horizon scanning, planning services for the future3. This will no doubt be placed with the "top" brainbox end of a consortium...with people imported from PCT's and SHA's OR that lot will be abandoned in favour of intellectuals from the USA or even Price Waterhouse. Whatever...it will look a bit like a PCT except it will not have the usual governance by retired captains of industry, accountants and estate agents....or will it. Also I can't make out how the accountability will work. And Finally ...Public Health to Local Authorities....some of us have argued for this for 20 years...but how will this now relate to the new NHS. Plenty of work for you Andrew and colleagues.... well it is early days but it would be nice to know whether they mean “commissioning” or “procurement” and at what level in this “new” two tier arrangement the “commissioning” will be done….ie the analysis, horizon scanning, planning services for the future3. This will no doubt be placed with the “top” brainbox end of a consortium…with people imported from PCT’s and SHA’s OR that lot will be abandoned in favour of intellectuals from the USA or even Price Waterhouse. Whatever…it will look a bit like a PCT except it will not have the usual governance by retired captains of industry, accountants and estate agents….or will it. Also I can’t make out how the accountability will work. And Finally …Public Health to Local Authorities….some of us have argued for this for 20 years…but how will this now relate to the new NHS. Plenty of work for you Andrew and colleagues….

]]> By: Caroline Millar http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/2010/07/liberation-root-and-branch-style-2/comment-page-1/#comment-858 Caroline Millar Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:19:26 +0000 http://www.publicinvolvement.org.uk/?p=1923#comment-858 I have real concerns about GP commissioning not relieved in any way by watching the debate on Newsnight yesterday where the panel of around ten people contained no-one who represented the patient voice - although of course several GPs who were utterly convinced that they knew better than anyone what patients needed and wanted. We have to stop this persistent conflation of what GPs think is good for their patients with what patients themselves want. They are not necessarily the same thing. How do GPs know what patients want/think/experience? How many GP practices have patient groups - and where they exist do they make a difference? Every time you ask patients what they want they come back with the same issues. Two of the biggest issues are evening opening and rude receptionists yet somehow nothing ever seems to get done about these particular wants. So with the GPs in charge will patients necessarily be better off than they are now? It certainly is by no means a foregone conclusion! I have real concerns about GP commissioning not relieved in any way by watching the debate on Newsnight yesterday where the panel of around ten people contained no-one who represented the patient voice – although of course several GPs who were utterly convinced that they knew better than anyone what patients needed and wanted. We have to stop this persistent conflation of what GPs think is good for their patients with what patients themselves want. They are not necessarily the same thing. How do GPs know what patients want/think/experience? How many GP practices have patient groups – and where they exist do they make a difference? Every time you ask patients what they want they come back with the same issues. Two of the biggest issues are evening opening and rude receptionists yet somehow nothing ever seems to get done about these particular wants. So with the GPs in charge will patients necessarily be better off than they are now? It certainly is by no means a foregone conclusion!

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